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Ace Uoweme
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Posted - 2013.04.02 01:18:00 -
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The problem EvE has is an old mindset of mat distribution.
I don't like mats in one area with NPCs spawning around to harass you. It's so scripted. The PvP element is also so scripted.
What's fun is having opportunities to ninja mine, though. Best mining experience I had isn't in some gang, it's sneaking into null and getting the mats and getting them back (oh, yeah I'm getting max refining, ABC ores are too bulky to bring back in some crushed can Venture).
Would rather have an interceptor like mining vessel that can ninja mine and swifty (mining yield at 100% with a 5000m3 hold deal). This can shake up those nullbears armed to the teeth, thinking they're immuned to invaders at their door -- and redistribute the resources among anyone willing to take the risks. And boy is it fun mining like that, and giving those guys the finger in the process.
 "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 02:23:00 -
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Galan Amarias wrote:What is it with you and ninja mining? There is a mining frig thing, use it. I get getting into people's space and messing with them, but what the stuff, mining? Then what run it all the way back to high sec?
Scared?
It's a lot more fun flying into controlled territory stealing precious resources, than being some rabbit waiting to be ganked.
Imagine the tears of getting away with moon goo.......
And yes, in a ship so nimble to make it all possible.
I refer you to the tale of David vs Goliath.  "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 03:17:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:3. Most small entities would not want a Tech moon popping up under their POS. They know it will get taken from them by a bigger entity well before the Tech output covers the value of the POS (if they even notice).
Ninja mining to the rescue!
Instead of being rabbits waiting on the Elmer Fudds to show up (yes, that's what I see the James+ as); instead of powerblocs the color of blue (that would make Krispy Kreme envious of the size of their market); enterprising industrialists having some fun right in the hive...literally.
Either the hive gets use to a parasite relationship, or they can be ousted by a much larger...ah...swarm nibbling them inside out. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 03:42:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:I can't believe you are actually excited about sneaking into someones space and mining. It would be like breaking into a house and stealing a bic pen out of their desk then giving yourself a hug about it.
Now listen carefully, Grasshopper: swarms come in all sorts of variety. There's your type of swarm of kids without a clue. There's swarms that fight like killer bees; and there's swarms of blowflies that lay eggs and eat their hosts inside out.
Ninja mining is the latter.
Blob meet the ultimate blob eater.
 "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 04:22:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Yes, steal from the unlimited font of ore available from Industry sites. That'll show them.
I'm talking about all out resource warfare.
One little parasite at a time about 10000001x a day.
Nibbling on ore by one swarm. Moon goo swarm on another. Exploration swarm on gas harvests.
There's no Orkin in space and three things that will always survive: roaches, ants and flies.
RubyPorto wrote:By the way, a more effective way to harass people in Nullsec would be to sneak in and take assets from them that have... well... actual value. Like ratting ships.
You can get rats anywhere, but moon goo/ABC ore/choice gas clouds are in null.
You know that as well.
If you can get your sister corps to mine the high-sec ore wholesale, well enterprising indys can launch their own...swarms.
And as you can personally understand, it adds up quick.
I used to argue with the WoW devs about their philosophy of switching comfort zones regularly, but I can truly see it's value in EvE. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 04:54:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:Take all you want, the real valuable stuff are in the sites and good luck getting in to those without being instagibbed on warpin.
This is the problem: you think XYZ is what indys just all want. If you're a ship builder you need mats that doesn't exist in high-sec (or even low-sec). High volume producers just buy the mats, but those who are being more self-sufficient and isk conscious, need small batches for their own supply.
And there's many more of them than high volume producers. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 06:34:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: You seem to have some wrong assumptions about the value of mining Technetium. A Tech pos makes 7.2 million ISK per hour. A Mack mining Veldspar in empire makes about 10M/hr last I checked.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Technetium
Malcanis, how independent are you again? "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 07:52:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: 100 units per hour. 24 hours a day. Look up market price for yourself and do the math.
Scroll down and read some...ah...history. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 10:19:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Also notice what happened to the largest Tech holding Bloc in the game in your "historical link".
You're very selective in reading...
Quote: Goonswarm and Goonswarm affiliates (Goonswarm awarding Tech moons to alliances as an incentive for performance). Under the fiscal control of these new, more market savvy owners, Technetium drove higher prices than ever.
Like downplaying the real history.
Making a profit isn't the "sin", it's the results...
Quote: After the combined forces of OTEC (CFC, Pandemic Legion and NCDOT) collectively repelled a strike into PL Tech holdings by Against ALL Authorities and assorted southern forces with relative ease, it was decided that Hulkageddon (an event centered around the suicide ganking of Hulks) would go from a prize-based annual event organized by an assortment of suicide gank-loving volunteers to a permanent state of affairs with salaried rewards sorted by programs parsing through automatically generated killmail data. The motives for this were twofold: 1) the heavy amount of Technetium needed to build Hulks meant increased Hulk 'turnover' would send Tech prices through the roof and 2) the sheer infamy from doing such a thing.
So we learn who helped create the mess, then tried to exploit from the mess, and the result...
Quote: By making the act of sucide ganking mining ships directly profitable with no coordination needed, Highsec space became an open hunting ground as hundreds of unaffiliated highsec pirates roamed the belts and jumpgates in disposable, high-damage ships looking for any mining vessel to put in their crosshairs. 'Hulkageddon Infinity', funded by Technetium profits, was by far the largest and most devastating event of its kind in New Eden history, as galactic mineral output as a whole took a massive drop as miners were simply too scared to mine.
In YC 113, in response to-increasing demand for Technetium-based products, manufacturers began mass producing starbase nuclear fusion reactors capable of synthesizing Technetium out of large amounts of Cobalt and Platinum. Normally ORE listened to loud demands of miners and answered by heavily revamping their line of mining ships, including the Procurer, Retriever, Skiff and Mackinaw to the effect of greatly increasing their durability. Just some of countless changes made to New Eden as a result of a once cheap and valueless element.
...I remember that "Hunkageddon" back in 2010...
Way too many fingers in too many pies (a Standard Oil and just as arrogant).
The Goons deserve every suspicion of causing more trouble, and a break up just as thorough as BoB suffered.
BTW, I suggest for you to read Herman Melville's "White Jacket" as well. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 11:10:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:The Goons deserve every suspicion of causing more trouble, and a break up just as thorough as BoB suffered. VFK is => thaddaway. Bring your hisec pubbies and do what needs to be done.
Bring my "hisec pubbies"? Speak English. Most of us don't speak "hive speak". 
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 11:18:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:For example to all things that require technetium to make - create alternative reaction that will require something as common as vandanium.
Or remove Technetium from the materials needed all together.
When a product is used to the point of disrupting a game to the ships have to be redesigned due to it (as it disrupted the very material market), that would've been a much easier solution.
There's w-a-y too many comfort zones here, when markets to minerals are never steady. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.02 11:35:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:You still have to set up a POS, manage it and collect your moongoo. it's not quite as passive as R&D agents for instance.
It's still passive COLLECTION. Just like research points with R+D agents.
Exactly the same.
You're not there like a miner mining it.
And managing a POS isn't like grinding the standings to get a level 4 agent, too. Managing a POS is adding fuel once a week; any blueprints (which can be done at a corp office); maybe defending it if attacked. Moon goo is essentially harvested passively (100 units) per harvester; and automatically stored in its silo; where its fed into whatever reactor or other processing source. Players aren't standing there to do any of that stuff 24/7. At most it's switching blueprints; diverting any of that moon goo to switch the blueprint; and onlining it again (but that's not happening with the Tech, it's set to be a 24/7 passively collected and made product).
When folks say it's a passive income, it is. I wish I could automatically mine and refine. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:16:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:You seem to have no understanding of the actual events that that mediocre summary claims to represent.
So you're saying to the world Evelopedia is lying? EvE has it on it's link bar, so would believe it's official even.
So official site and history, and you're claiming it's all lies?
/popcorn "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:00:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:It's written by volunteers
And not one Goon among them?
Now that's hard to believe. Just look at the CSM election. If it's not a Goon itself, it's who's aligned and/or paid off.
But you can't have one "volunteer" to work on a wiki?
Ever heard of a dude called Scienceapologist? Read up about him, then understand how and why I don't believe it. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.04 00:45:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:A blob of one. I'm not entirely sure you really get it.
You do, but don't want to admit it.
Real innovative and emergent gameplay is countering the obstacles in the way.
How's the Burn Jita 2013 going to play out?
I can see Goons suiciding themselves to drive up some fake kills to make it look successful. But it's not innovative or emergent gameplay.
Goons can't admit they're yesterday's news.
It's more fun when Horde dragged Shandris Feathermoon into Org to wipe the city (healers, FTW)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFuBmkVvUTQ
At least that was new and did actually wipe Org.
They did it for ***** and grins. You don't need to own an universe and try to own the market to have real fun!
Shhh...but don't tell the hivemind that...shhh "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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